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Welcome to Wikimedia Commons, Pjt56!

Tip: Categorizing images[edit]

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Hello, Pjt56!
Tip: Add categories to your images

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

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Your picture on Alcantara[edit]

Hi, your picture on Alcantara is now published on italian magazine FAME DI SUD (www.famedisud.it) Facebook Page

Edible fungi in basket[edit]

Guten Tag!

Lesen Sie, bitte Commons:Kriterien für wertvolle Bilder.

Das Messer ist ein gewöhnliches Instrument für die Pilze. Es widerspricht den Kriterien auf jeden Fall nicht. VI ist nicht FI.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen, --George Chernilevsky talk 19:07, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


> Wie kann ich mein Oppose zurücknehmen?

<s> {{oppose}} old info... </s>

new vote and some info...

Zum Beispiel:

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Ich bin kein Commons Administrator, nur der Benutzer.

Es ist treu, es ist hier sehr spannend. Es ist die gute Gesellschaft der Freunde und der Gleichgesinnten.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen, --George Chernilevsky talk 22:34, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

What are VI[edit]

Hello, Thanks for your interest in Valued Images project. Be aware that Valued Images are not the same as Quality Images. In peculiar, technical quality isn't of such importance. VI rules say: For photographs, the quality achievable using the built-in camera in a modern mobile phone should normally be good enough. The image must look good on-screen at the review size. VI must meet these 6 criteria. A VI is the most valuable illustration of all images on Commons which fall within the scope of the nomination. Note that most valuable does not necessarily imply the best technical quality. Valued images are less about perfect technical quality and more about your ingenuity in finding good and valuable subjects which matter, and about the useability of the information on the image page, see Valued image value for further details. --Myrabella (talk) 10:07, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Schiller edit1.jpg[edit]

Would you reconsider your review in light of the response? Durova (talk) 06:54, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

FP Promotion[edit]

Episyrphus balteatus 1.jpg
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Valued Image Promotion[edit]

Rauma 3.jpg
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Quality Image Promotion[edit]

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Green Beetle[edit]

Maybe Chrysolina herbacea but can you give the length (mm.) and place at lest the country Nce photo Notafly (talk) 21:18, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Quality Image Promotion[edit]

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Quality Image Promotion[edit]

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Quality Image Promotion[edit]

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Quality image[edit]

Please check sky noise on pictures below my candidate, which are already promoted. Many of them got quiet higher noise, i dont find my noise high at all. I agree with distortion. Regards, Petar. --Mile (talk) 22:40, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Distortion fixed, thanx. --Mile (talk) 23:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

True, everything can be fixed with software, but in my case sky noise is low. Check other pictures which are already nominated. --Mile (talk) 09:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Quality Image Promotion[edit]

Stuttgart Gasometer.jpg
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Quality Image Promotion[edit]

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Valued Image Promotion[edit]

Leica M1.jpg
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Killesberg Tower.jpg
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Quality Image Promotion[edit]

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FP Promotion[edit]

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Quality Image Promotion[edit]

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Mating bees[edit]

Your image of the mating bees (and the voyeur ant) is superb. Congratulations! I was also pleased to realize I'm not alone rasing those questions about the women beggar. Cheers -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 19:00, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your support! The fact is I came to your page to comment on your assessment of the beggar picture. But then I saw the promotion template and realized that I haven't payed much attention to your picture when it passed through FPC. That was a serious flaw which I felt should be corrected immediately... -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 12:19, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Valued Image Promotion[edit]

Osmia cornuta copulation.jpg
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Quality Image Promotion[edit]

Anax imperator-pjt.jpg
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Quality Image Promotion[edit]

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File:Beetle-pjt1.jpg[edit]

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File:Dragonfly-pjt4.jpg[edit]

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Valued Image Promotion[edit]

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TUSC token b6c3ce6cd2ab8c03e0a0019ad9be1994[edit]

I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!

Grüne Spinne falsch bestimmt! ;-)[edit]

Hallo Pjt56,

nachdem du mich auf meiner Disk bezüglich der grünen Spinne angeschrieben hattest habe ich bei Benutzer:Mhohner angefragt und der hat deine Annahme bestätigt! Meine Bestimmung war falsch und deine Vermutung war richtig! Ich habe jetzt auch gleich eine Umbennenung veranlasst und die Beschreibung sowie die Cat angepasst. Nochmals vielen Dank für den Hinweis und bis die Tage, besten Gruß mathias K 15:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

...und da isses auch schon passiert. ;-) Gruß mathias K 15:09, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Phoenicopterus roseus-pjt1.jpg[edit]

Perfect I changed the caption of the image and the caption in French Wikipedia. (A month before I was in the Venice lagoon to make images of reconstrution of the ecosystem). Can you read the caption in German this picture? Uncarina ankaranensis MHNT.jpg. Because I do not speak any language of Goethe. Thank you for these linguistic exchanges internationals. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 08:03, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

File:Fly-pjt16.jpg[edit]

Hallo Pjt56, das abgebildete Tier würde ich als Platystoma seminiatonis (Familie Platystomatidae) einordnen. Gruß, --Pristurus (talk) 19:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Danke, Pristurus! Ich habe die Umbenennung der Datei veranlasst und die Beschreibung geändert. Falls du Zeit und Lust hast: ich habe in meiner Galerie noch eine ganze Reihe weiterer nicht bestimmter Insektenfotos ... Grüße, --Pjt56 (talk) 07:35, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Autopatrol given[edit]

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Hello. I just wanted to let you know that I have granted autopatrol rights to your account; the reason for this is that I believe you are sufficiently trustworthy and experienced to have your contributions automatically sighted. This will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to help users watching Recent changes or Recent uploads to find unproductive edits amidst the productive ones. Thank you. INeverCry 18:39, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Category:Pages using Information template with incorrect parameter[edit]

Hallo Pjt56. Bitte passe deine Uploadvorlage an, damit dieser Parameterfehler nicht mehr vorkommt („Other“ ist in Template:Information nicht als Parameter enthalten). --Leyo 21:57, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

File:Taormina-pjt1.jpg[edit]

Hello Ptj56, I used part of your image Taormina-pjt1.jpg for a pagebanner on Wikivoyage, and gave it the name Taormina-pjt1_Pan.jpg. Because this is not on Wikipedia, I make this announcement on your discussion page. I hope I did it correct with the license. --FredTC (talk) 08:34, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Copyright status: File:CKLee Stuttgart 5.jpg[edit]

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Cyclamen hederifolium in Sardinia[edit]

Dear,

It is indeed a Cyclamen hederifolium or its var. confusum (Syn. C. confusum). It is not possible to differentiate them without looking at the leave.

Another possible cyclamen should be C. africanum, which however does not occur in Europe.

If you want, I can rename your file (I am a "filemover").

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:09, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Dear,
In the meantime I have renamed it accordingly.
FYI: I have 5 Cyclamen species in my garden (mid-Belgium): C. hederifolium, C. coum, C. cilicium, C. purpurascens and C. pseudibericum. The first two are strong growing and sowed by ants, so that these species are widespread in my garden. C. coum is now blooming with the first crocuses (C. imperati 'De Jager' and C. sieberi 'Bowles White').
Beste Grüße aus Belgien, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:55, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

File:Gonocerus acuteangulatus-pjt.jpg[edit]

I used a copy of your photo at http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/insects/WatchList.htm with a copyright statement - I hope this is in order.--Keith Edkins (talk) 11:10, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Fine with me. Thanks for notifying me! --Pjt56 (talk) 16:35, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Vespula - Dolichovespula[edit]

Hi Pjt56, Vespula vulgaris-pjt6.jpg zeigt eine Langkopfwespe. Vermutlich Dolichovespula saxonica. Beachte den Abstand zwischen Augen und Kiefern. Der ist bei Vespula stets kürzer als bei Dolichovespula. Die dunkle Zeichnung auf dem Clypeus kann, trotz einiger variabilität, auch hilfreich bei der Bestimmung sein (V. vulgaris -> wie ein hängender Hammer; D. saxonica -> +- wie ein Dreizack). Gerade die Dolichovespula scheinen leider ziemlich variabel gezeichnet zu sein.

Gruß --Aiwok (talk) 13:01, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

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Fjadrárgljúfur-pjt - Used for Class[edit]

Hello, PJT56,

Just letting you know we are using your photo for a discussion about erosion in our geology class in Mongolia tomorrow.

Beautiful shot! Carrie Wallestad, lecturer, Mongolia International University

Quality Image Promotion[edit]

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Panoramabilder[edit]

Hinweis, da du ab und zu :-) Panoramabilder hochlädst:

1. Bau anstelle eines Hinweises in der Beschreibung das Template:Panorama ein. Das setzt einen vorformulierten Hinweis auf die Beschreibungsseite und erleichtert auch das automatische Auffinden von Panoramabildern. Format: {{Panorama|<Objekt>|<Anzahl der Einzelbilder>|<Stitching-Software>}} (z.B. unter „Sonstige Informationen“ in der Upload-Maske). Ich habe das bei File:AltbachPowerPlant-pjt2.jpg schonmal vorgenommen.

2. Ordne die Bilder auch in die passendste Unterkategorie von Category:Panoramics ein, z.B. Category:Panoramics_in_Stuttgart.

Danke! --Kreuzschnabel 07:26, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Geocoding[edit]

Noch praktischer wäre es, wenn du deine Bilder geographisch verortest (sie können dann auch über interaktive Karten gefunden werden). (Als ich noch bei QI mitgemischt habe, war es kaum möglich, ein nicht-geocodiertes Bild promotet zu bekommen, haben sich die Standards da seitdem so aufgeweicht?) Angegeben wird üblicherweise der Kamerastandort mit Template:Location, z.B. in der Form {{Location dec|B.reite|L.änge}}. Ist nur ein wichtiges Objekt im Bild, kannst du auch den Objektstandort mit Template:Object Location angeben. Genaue Koordinaten liefert dir Google Maps auf Klick in die Landschaft. --Kreuzschnabel 07:42, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Canyon[edit]

Hi!

I am using your beautiful image https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Fjadr%C3%A1rglj%C3%BAfur-pjt.jpg

as study matter for my digital photography photoshop assignment under the Creative Commons Attribution terms.

Thanks :)

  • Thanks for notifying me. I'd appreciate a link or pdf to the final result (and a signature ...). Best, --Pjt56 (talk) 15:46, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

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Hallo

I just tweeted your lovely File:Coreus marginatus-pjt.jpg image at https://twitter.com/Javiermedia/status/739220927938973696 (after a couple of similar theme scenes). Regards --Javier ME (talk) 22:37, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Use of image[edit]

I used an image of yours of Seydisfjordur on http://sturnidae.com/cruises/ports/Sey.php. Thank you.

15:28, 12 July 2016

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgw321 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

JG.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgw321 (talk • contribs) 15:28, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

File:Isodontia mexicana-pjt2.jpg[edit]

I used a copy of your photo at http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/insects/WatchList.htm with a copyright statement, to report that the wasp has now been found in Britain. Thank you for providing this image.--Keith Edkins (talk) 22:32, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Thanks for notifying me! It is interesting to observe that the species moves further and further north. --Pjt56 (talk) 16:48, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Copyvio by an Icelandic business[edit]

Hi Pjt56, as you were writing on File:Reykjavík-pjt1.jpg you appreciate a notice if someone finds your picture on a site other than Wikipedia. So look at http://taxipickup.is/iceland-tours/ on the bottom right. I find them using a number of CC-licensed files on their site with neither attribution nor mentioning the license, including a pic by me, which is why I was writing them 4 times (!) since 2015. One time they responded promising to have their "website manager" fix this, but nothing happened and I happen to get fed by them and willing to hire a lawyer. What do you think? Would you possibly join, also maybe helping to contact others whose copyrights apparently have been violated by that business to have them join? I have no experience yet with the Icelandic lawyer sector but there seem to be some lawyers in Reykjavik around who have specialized in copyright issues. Beschde Grüße aussem Remstal ;) --dealerofsalvation 17:17, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Remstäler, thanks for notifying me about those guys. Yes, if we find others to join I'd be willing to spend a moderate amount of money. In other cases companies who were for one reason or another not able or willing to publish copyright information offered to pay me a reasonable fee - which I usually accepted :-) Maybe we should try that first: send them an invoice ... Best regards from the Landeshauptstadt, --Pjt56 (talk) 17:41, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the idea, I'll think about it, but in my previous polite mails I was telling them I was not interested in money but in proper attribution so I'm not yet sure if I'll change my mind about that ... but if you want you can go ahead and send them an invoice on your behalf. BTW at User:Dealerofsalvation/taxipickup.is Copyvios I'm systematically investigating more copyvios by them. --dealerofsalvation 19:49, 12 March 2017 (UTC)


Hans Dijkema, ZC4[edit]

Hi Pt56, I'm using your image Scilla Maritima, as an illustration for the Materia Medica in my Homeopathy Program. Just to let you know.

File:ViolinChinRest-pjt.JPG[edit]

Hello, we are using your image at 'chinrest' on the English Wiktionary [1]. I hope that is OK. It's a very good image. Please let me know on my talkpage there if there is any problem. Thank you. Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 18:44, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

File:Metellina mengei-pjt.jpg[edit]

Hi, I edited your picture File:Metellina mengei-pjt.jpg a bit, to reduce the over-exposure of the original. Just to let you know that I'm using the edited version in a talk on spiders. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:10, 30 August 2018 (UTC)