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Discussion in 'CNC Mills/Routers' started by kram242, Dec 15, 2013.

  1. Chris Laidlaw

    Chris Laidlaw Well-Known Builder

  2. Serge E.

    Serge E. Journeyman Builder

    Your plates worked like a charm with the NEMA 23s I got from StepperOnline (lots of choices, China).

    I'm using a 20x60 instead of the 20x40 for the third X axis back piece (don't ask). So the opening for the cables lines up with the inner chanel of v-slot which could allow one to completely hide some wiring (would need to drill a nice hole in v-slot to poke wiring directly into controller box), but it leaves little space to pass wiring through and top of V-rail. You might want to make the opening a bit taller ?

    Is there room for doing a triple span X-axis beam ? Would need extra holes there.

    As anyone thought of trying an H beam type configuration for the X-axis ? 20x40 sideways between the 20x60 (or taller for wide spans). The horizontal "spanner" could be fixed to the "beams" with corners (whether 2 or 3 hole brackets or corner like those used at gantry plates every 10" or so, top/bottom). Extra width would be to give a wider base for X-axis wheels which should limit the front/back flex in the Z-axis assembly (maybe ?). There would not be a need for the back X v-slot ...

    How about a triple 20x40 sideways or double 20x60 for the Z-axis itself (instead of a single 20x60) ? It's tad thicker but might limit flex in the Z-axis as tool pushes in work piece ... The plates of Z-axis would need to be redesigned. A single design for all three options should be possible, at least for top plate; bottom plate might need two design (standard and "hefty") not to get in way of router/spindle ...

    Just thoughts as I look at my OX ... Still waiting for time to install electronics ...
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  3. Chris Laidlaw

    Chris Laidlaw Well-Known Builder

    Thanks for the info Serge.
    Hope the electronics installation goes well.
    Chris
  4. Franco Ponticelli

    Franco Ponticelli Well-Known Builder

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  5. Tweakie

    Tweakie OpenBuilds Team Staff Member Builder

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  6. PoppyRoseGifts

    PoppyRoseGifts New Builder

    Hi, I'm new here. I bought a OX CNC router kit, after being assured it was easy to build (I'm a crafter, not a builder) & after going through the contents of the box & the instructions forwarded, now I'm concerned Ive made a big mistake & Im out of my depth! although I'm quite a practical person. I wondered if anyone could offer any advice for the best place to start for someone so new to this?
  7. Robert Hummel

    Robert Hummel Custom Builder Staff Member Builder

    Start with watching the build videos ;)
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  8. PoppyRoseGifts

    PoppyRoseGifts New Builder

    Thank you :) I just started watching them
  9. Todd Powell

    Todd Powell Well-Known Builder

    Everything is ordered, just waiting for boxes to arrive. Thank you @Chris Laidlaw for stepping up and making parts.

    @kram242 , I'm really looking forward to starting on this project. I sincerely appreciate your hard work and contribution to this community! CNC has been an interest for awhile, nice to finally work on a project.

    Reading all about controls, software etc. while waiting for parts. Setup an old pc with linuxcnc today. Probably give that a try and also trial of Mach3. Looks like the new version of Mach is right around the corner so will probably wait for that.
  10. kram242

    kram242 OpenBuilds Team Staff Member Builder

    @Todd Powell thank you for the kind words my friend, it all in good fun for me :) I enjoy the building aspect but I have to say the best part for me is seeing it come to life for the first time once its complete. DIY CNC's are such great projects and I hope you find it as rewarding as I do especially when you have a great group of friend to share the experiences with :thumbsup:
  11. Tweakie

    Tweakie OpenBuilds Team Staff Member Builder

    Hi Todd,

    You could be waiting a long time for Mach4 - It has been " just around the corner " for the last 3 years. :)

    I have been doing some testing with Mach4 and the overall smoothness of the motion it produces is just brilliant. However, there are still the inevitable bugs to be found and resolved which is, I think, taking a lot longer than expected.

    This is just a short video of my last test run with Mach4, the Darwin driver and my laser http://www.graytel.talktalk.net/Mach4.wmv

    Tweakie.
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  12. greenmonk

    greenmonk New Builder

    Working on this build and am about to start building the frame. I bought limit switches, but am not sure exactly where to put them, when to add them to the build, and how to wire them. Has anyone built the OX with limit switches?

    I'm part of the build group with Jeff Balderson (see p.28) and I'm supposed to tell him how to do the limit switches when I figure it out. That's why I'm turning to you guys! lol! Can anyone help?

    So far the build is going great!
  13. Jestah

    Jestah Journeyman Builder

    I will take photos of my limits later today when I get home from work....

    For now just a little bit of a teaser .... I did my best to cut the Vslot square with my drop saw but in the end found a bit to much induced stress in the frame when squaring so went all out and milled the critical ends of the vslot. All sticks that needed to be the same length were bolted together and milled as a pair as well. So far it is MUCH closer to being true, not perfect but very close. I am hoping to use duel switches on my slaved axis to resquare the gantry to bang on.

    cutting.jpg
  14. kram242

    kram242 OpenBuilds Team Staff Member Builder

  15. Bmoz

    Bmoz Well-Known Builder

  16. Rob Kent

    Rob Kent New Builder

    Bmoz,

    I'm the one that asked Chris the question about using NEMA 23's. His response to me was 'I think they may be too heavy' and might slow the speed of the axis travel. What size 23's are you using for the X / Y axis and are you using same for the Z? What are you using for a spindle motor on your build?

    I found some 130 0z-in NEMA 17's that I may consider instead of 287 oz-in NEMA 23's. Your opinion and experience would be of value in my decision making process.

    Rob
  17. Bmoz

    Bmoz Well-Known Builder

    I have only been running them for a few days. I haven't done any heavy work with them yet and can't really venture an opinion on how it will go long term. Having said that my OX is all aluminum and is feels steady as a rock with the 23's on the x and y axis. For the z axis I am running a Nema 17 for no other reason than I didn't want to have to re-engineer the plates.
  18. Jay_r

    Jay_r Well-Known Builder

    I thought 23's on the x and y were the stock size? I'm running 270 oz/in on the x any y and it zips around just fine at 48v.
  19. Chris Laidlaw

    Chris Laidlaw Well-Known Builder

    That is my understanding, Serge used Nema 23's on the X and Y with my plates and everything works fine.
    chrisclub@gmail.com
  20. Serge E.

    Serge E. Journeyman Builder

    And using a NEMA 17 for the Z-axis. I'll have specs and such in the build details of "myOX" ... probably during the train ride Monday.
  21. GrayUK

    GrayUK Veteran Builder

    Just how long is your train ride, and have you got WiFi as well?

    Gray
  22. Charles Ely

    Charles Ely New Builder

    I'm relatively new to motion control and have some math questions.

    It seems to me that when the 20 tooth, GT2 pulley rotates exactly 360 degrees, the GT2 belt moves exactly 20 teeth. That means the "effective" circumference of the GT2 pulley is 40mm. I assume the belt stretches with use, so the the distance between teeth will be slightly more than 2mm and the belt moves slightly more than 40mm...but for now, I'm neglecting belt stretch.

    Taking it a little further, the basic step size is 0.2mm (40mm/200steps) or 0.0079". Using divide-by-8 micro-steps, yields a 0.025mm (0.00098") per micro-step size.

    Are my assumptions correct?

    Chaz
  23. Rob Taylor

    Rob Taylor New Builder

    I just got the same parts for another build; I've hard-coded in 40mm/0.2mm for the pulley, yeah. I don't use microsteps yet so I can't say for sure, but math-wise, presumably 1/8th steps would indeed be 0.025mm.

    Mark or someone with older belt may want to jump in here, but I'm assuming the fibreglass interior prevents stretching. Though perhaps that's only achievable with a continuous steel cable, so the belt may stretch a little over time as the strands settle.

    I'd actually be interested to know the answer to that myself, since it may be a factor in my current build too.
  24. JustinTime

    JustinTime Veteran Builder

    It's not the first time I read in this forum that people are trying to calculate the steps, or what ever, for a machine taking the diameter of the pully and the number of teeth into calculation. I must have totally missed understanding the importance of this step when I set up my machine. Must be the luck of the dumb that I got my machine to run so good without this crucial step. LOL
  25. Sage

    Sage Well-Known Builder

  26. dddman

    dddman Journeyman Builder

    If you use Mach3, you don't have to do the calculations as you can calibrate your axis by measuring the actual movement.
  27. Charles Ely

    Charles Ely New Builder

    Thanks. Josef Prusa's calculator verified what was running around in my head. I new it had been done about a million times before...and I now know what a micron is.

    I have a 12" (300mm) electronic ruler that I will use to measure the actual travel.

    300mm Micrometer 001.JPG

    I also have the serial port cable that connects to the ruler, so I can make lots and lots of automated measurements...eventually.

    Chaz
  28. a.t.productions

    a.t.productions New Builder

    Hello all!

    I'm new to the forums but not new to the site... if that makes sense! This question doesn't have anything to do with the current discussion, so I apologize for butting in, but I have a bit of a quandary.

    I'm planning on starting my OX Build here very soon, but can't figure out a way to CNC the plates. You see, I have an Oliver Intellicarve 13x18 CNC machine, but I cannot figure out an accurate way to mill the plates. For those of you that don't know, it uses a program called ipicture to generate gcode. You upload a photo, set the size parameters and save the gcode to a USB...plug it into the machine, set the origin and hit start. Not much control over any project settings really... (hence why I'm planning on building a machine!) I could save a jpg of the plates and attempt to load it in this way, but I'm afraid that if I don't get the LxW of the jpg set correctly (because you have to factor the white borders of the jpg) the end result won't be correct! Anyone have any suggestions?

    Thank-you in advance!

    Adam
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2014 at 5:29 PM
  29. Chris Laidlaw

    Chris Laidlaw Well-Known Builder

    Threaded Rod Plate for Nema 23 for Z axis.
    I am working with a builder on this plate.
    As soon as he tests it out, I'll offer it on Ebay where my Ox CNC Gantry plates are listed, or direct thru chrisclub@gmail.com.

    It should be tested by early next week.
    Chris
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2014 at 2:28 AM
  30. Robert Hummel

    Robert Hummel Custom Builder Staff Member Builder

    If you just need the g-code on a USB stick won't the g-code files from sketchucam placed on the stick be the same?
    What format is the file on the stick ?
    Normal text file?
    .nc ?

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