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Routy CNC Router (V-Slot Belt & Pinion)

Discussion in 'CNC Mills/Routers' started by kram242, Nov 11, 2013.

  1. Robert Hummel

    Robert Hummel Custom Builder Staff Member Builder

    @Forrest DIetrich
    What drivers are you using?
    What current are your drivers set at?
    What motors are you using? And what are their ratings?
    I run my mill with a single 15amp 24 vdc switching supply with no problems
  2. Forrest DIetrich

    Forrest DIetrich Journeyman Builder

    @Robert Hummel

    I am using the setup in the OX build ... Arduino with gShield v5. Current is set by 3 pots by turing up until keeps running without heat issues.
    • 2.5 Amps per winding
    • 12-30 Input Voltage
    • Open Pin Pass Through
    • 8x Microstepping
    • Screw Down Terminal Voltage Input
    • Hardware 3x Axis (x,y,z)
    • 3x Robust TI DRV8818 Stepper Drivers
    The motors I am using are not the best Nema 17's ... they are
    Kysan Electronics NEMA 17 Stepper Motors for 3D Printers 42BYGH4803-DC
    • High Torque: 5.5 kg-cm, 53.9 N-cm, 76 oz-in, 4.77 lb-in
    • 4.2 Volt, 1.5 Amp, 1.8 deg per step
    • 21 mm long, 5 mm Shaft with D Cut
    • 2 Phase, Resistance per Phase 2.8 Ohms
    • 200 Steps per Revolution, Inductance 4.8 mH, Class B Insulation
    I plan to change to Nema 23's per OX build with OX plates and use a 1 hp router.

    You have 360 watt supply, more than twice what I have now ... I have 480 watt (24v, 20 amp) on order from the store here, should have it on Thursday.

    I can cut Garlite OK with my setup now, will try it again soon to cut OX plates ...
  3. Forrest DIetrich

    Forrest DIetrich Journeyman Builder

    @Robert Hummel

    I cut the Garlite dry ... and have seen some people cut aluminum dry, blowing or vacuuming out the chips. I think I will try some 3-in-1 oil, or some other light cutting oil next. Crisco seems like it would eventually go rancid?
  4. Robert Hummel

    Robert Hummel Custom Builder Staff Member Builder

    Believe it or not the veggie oil out does 3in1, I know this as I use a 3in1 bottle as my refill/despencer.
    It is a lot cheeper also haha, clean up fast with a little soap and water ;)

    As for the cutting it's all in the bit my my friend, all I use is 1/8 bits.
    The power supply is a good start for sure if it's that lightweight.
    Also look for a bit made for aluminum,
    Two flute made for aluminum or a single flute up cut will help alot
  5. Robert Hummel

    Robert Hummel Custom Builder Staff Member Builder

    Read up my friend, hope the dust is under control, tip 1 tsp dish soap to 2cups warm water in a squeeze bottle will give a lot cleaner cut and keep the dust down.

    I just hear bad stuff about milling the stuff
  6. Forrest DIetrich

    Forrest DIetrich Journeyman Builder

    @Robert Hummel

    Thanks for the tip about Crisco oil.

    I realize the Garlite dust is carcinogenic, so OK, will try a bit of soapy water .... but dust is not too bad, does not get more than a foot or two from the bit, and I vacuum lots.

    For aluminum I have been trying these bits from LakeShore Carbide, seem like well made bits:
    1/8" Rougher/Finisher Variable Flute End Mill for Aluminum ZrN
    1/8" Rougher/Finisher Variable 2 Flute End Mill for Aluminum ZrN
    maybe these are the wrong bits? But I have tried a few others also.

    Really seems like a power issue that is also affecting the Arduino, as it looses the USB connection at times. When I air mill, no problems.
  7. Robert Hummel

    Robert Hummel Custom Builder Staff Member Builder

    Well you got the bits right that's for sure, so that ends that possibility :thumbsup:

    Must be a power issue for sure, always a little thing but hard to figure out :banghead:
    The USB issue may be that your sharing the same hub on your pc with say a mouse/keyboard ex... It's always a good idea to power it externally or use a dedicated hub "nothing else plugged in USB" ;)

    Hope this helps
  8. Forrest DIetrich

    Forrest DIetrich Journeyman Builder

    @Robert Hummel
    Yes, helps to know I have the right bits.
    Yes, good idea to use the powered hub, I certainly have done that with Raspberry Pi, and even have one on the shelf, so will use it. Actually I was thinking of powering Arduino from separate 5v supply and using Bluetooth Arduino, but not sure if I can get that working yet ... I left my Blue Tooth Arduino in Beijing apartment, where I play around with simple robotic stuff. Maybe I will try to source some good stepper motors, etc. next time I am there.
  9. Forrest DIetrich

    Forrest DIetrich Journeyman Builder

    Made a bit of progress today with powered USB hub, and unplugged and re-plugged everything ... but still seems X and Y motors are underpowered. I will play with current limits a bit, and see if I can keep the motors running and moving the bit correctly. Checked 24v, seems to be holding up OK. So seems to be a matter of finding the right settings ...
  10. Ceiling Cat

    Ceiling Cat Journeyman Builder

    Got most of my parts in for my build starting on it soon. About to find out the quality of the parts list I got. (hopefully good)
  11. Forrest DIetrich

    Forrest DIetrich Journeyman Builder

    When I switched back to cutting Garolite for OX plates, which I have modified for 60 mm rails to run on the Routy base, I had to tweak setting for motor current on the gShield. Seems I had them set for too much current, they would run the motors a few minutes, then overheat. And it seems slow speeds make for more tendency to overheat. So now cutting Garolite with same bit I had for aluminum at 450 mm and 0.667 depth per pass, with no problems (have completed about 20% of cutting for the 4 plates in about an hour). Seems to be cutting true ... logos look good in black Garolite. But I will switch the build to OX X and Z build and add Nema 23 motors before I try aluminum again, with a 1 HP spindle also.
  12. Bryant

    Bryant Well-Known Builder

    About to give the electronics their first run. Hoping my ineptitude doesn't rear it's ugly head.
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  13. Forrest DIetrich

    Forrest DIetrich Journeyman Builder

    @Bryant
    Good luck. Just so long as you get the power hooked up correctly, rest seems pretty forgiving based on my experience :)
  14. Bryant

    Bryant Well-Known Builder

    Good to hear. I'm using the 12V 30A power supply I bought from the parts store. Should I be adjusting that down in Amperage at all? As near as I can tell that is the only adjustment available.
  15. Forrest DIetrich

    Forrest DIetrich Journeyman Builder

    IF you are using the gShield .... you need to follow the procedure to set the small pots on each x, y, and z driver .... turn them gently all the way CCW then slowly CW until motors begin to run steadily, then a bit more CW. Warm motors are OK, hot ones are not, they will stop working. Did you read the WIKI on the shield and on the TinyG ... I think the motor adjustment procedure is actually in the TinyG WIKI.
  16. Bryant

    Bryant Well-Known Builder

    I'm using the Protoneer shield. I've got GRBL installed and the Universal G-Code Sender is communicating with the board. However, I am not getting any movement when I send commands. The protoneer shield doesn't appear to have a whole lot of documentation so I'm working through it.
  17. Bryant

    Bryant Well-Known Builder

    Wasn't the shields fault at all. Evidently I should look at the correct driver board when orienting them on the shield :) The Pololu DRV8825 has the pot on the opposite side. Once I lined up the enable pin on the driver board and shield I have movement. Now to tune them in.
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  18. Chris Allen

    Chris Allen Journeyman Builder

    Lucky you didn't fry it :)
  19. David the swarfer

    David the swarfer OpenBuilds Team Staff Member Builder

    no NOT OIL!!, especially 3in1. 3in1 is not a cutting oil, it is just too good at lubricating to allow cutting.
    on aluminum use kerosene, just a few drops, I just brush it on.
    you can also use bee or candle wax, rub it on before every cut.

    btw people, WD40 is not a lubricant, it is a Water Displacer, for rust proofing. <-:
  20. Forrest DIetrich

    Forrest DIetrich Journeyman Builder

    @Robert Hummel

    OK ... thanks. I will try a bit of wax ... when I try again.
  21. Forrest DIetrich

    Forrest DIetrich Journeyman Builder

  22. Bryant

    Bryant Well-Known Builder

    Forrest,

    You are quite correct. Once I figured out that it was my positioning of the Pololu drivers that was the problem the shield's documentation was just fine. And to be honest, if I would have stopped and read the part about lining up the enabling pin on the shield and the board I would have saved an hour of head scratching :)

    Chris, I do feel lucky that I didn't either kill the shield or the drivers. I did just find out that pololu is here in Las Vegas so I guess I have quick access if I do blow one of these boards.

    On another note, can anyone explain how to test the current your stepper is pulling. I'm a bit of a electronics newbie (computers fine, electronics - not so much).

    Bryant
  23. Chris Allen

    Chris Allen Journeyman Builder

    I'm no expert, but the pololu website suggests putting a multimeter on one of the pins going to your motor (i.e. measure the current across one coil) with the stepping set to single step (no microsteps) and the motor stationary. This will then be 0.7x the max current the driver will draw. The max current value should be just less than the max current specified for the motor.
  24. kram242

    kram242 OpenBuilds Team Staff Member Builder

    I just run some code and slowly turn up the current pot until I hear clicking (over-draw protection cut off) then back it off a just a bit. This works well for me in getting the most out of these little drivers.
  25. Ceiling Cat

    Ceiling Cat Journeyman Builder

    I finally got my machine built guys. Its a bit of a black sheep though because the parts list was (as expected) wrong and had to just make it work. 20x80 on the side for the gantry supports and 20x60 for the Z and Y axis. A bit of a hack but it should work just fine.

    I got to the electronics portion thinking this would be the easy step. lol. Has anyone flashed an arduino with the grbl shield hex file using an arduino? Is such a thing even possible or must I buy an Amtel programmer for this. Basically I need to get this .hex file on the chip but everything I have tried in avrdude has not worked. The arduino i'm using is a ATmega328P on an uno board. Connected via USB on com5. Each attempt has ended in "avrdude: stk500_getsync(): not in sync: resp=0x00 avrdude done. Thank you."

    I love how it thanks me for the fail :p
  26. Robert Hummel

    Robert Hummel Custom Builder Staff Member Builder

    Don't use arduino for loading the hex
    Use Xloader
    Go to the files section of my Laser v build and download my hex/Xloader and upload your hex with the Xloader program, just del my hex so you don't mix them up
  27. Robert Hummel

    Robert Hummel Custom Builder Staff Member Builder

    Select your port and don't change anything, direct to your hex and hit upload
  28. Ceiling Cat

    Ceiling Cat Journeyman Builder

    Thank you. I will give a shot as soon as I'm back from a business trip. Glad someone has done this before :)
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  29. kram242

    kram242 OpenBuilds Team Staff Member Builder

    Looking forward to how you make out with this @Ceiling Cat as I have not had to do it this way. Seems pretty straight forward though.
  30. Ceiling Cat

    Ceiling Cat Journeyman Builder

    Just got back from the trip and thought I would post my results. I tried to upload my hex file but I'm not sure it is working or if it even worked. I'm guessing no because XLoader still has "Uploading..." down in the status bar for about 5 mins now. 5 mins for 74 k tells me that something is wrong. I followed your instructions and didn't change anything, I only selected the port my arduino is connected to and pointed it to the .hex file.

    I just tried to click the application and it doesn't seem like its responding at all.

    Dis-regard that.... stupid me choose the wrong chip. In my defense its late and I've been flying all night. Say's upload complete. I'm going to power it up and see if I can get it to respond to grbl controller now.
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2014

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